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Original Subject Posting
The LCOA AGM will be held on the evening of wednesday 28th July in Teignmouth.
if anyone has any agenda points they would like adding to the Agenda for the AGM, please email be by 19th July at membership@larkclass.org
thanks
Ally |
| Author: Alison Dart |
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| Laminate Sails please Ali! yay! 8') |
| Author: Smashie Bennett |
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Rules changes need a full class ballot but I would like a post meeting discussion on laminates (either full or limited use for reinforcement) and a couple of other things so that I can gauge which direction people would like me to go with Lark development.
Chris
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| Author: Chris Biglin |
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I would like to send my apologies for not attending the AGM. I will be washing my hair.
M.J. |
| Author: Michael John |
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| I know this is probably very big and far out but after litening to Rachie when she came back from the Thorpe and her chat with Tim Pearce it would be cool if we could lower the overall weight of the boat now that it is possible with the updated building materials. I realise this will probably never happen in my lifetime! but it's still a nice thought, I can see where Tim is coming from, the Lark is too heavy to have a decent response when pumping down a wave. Is there any way of making a Lark mk2 with a different handicap number, and then over the years peeps can tranfer as boats become available. This seems a nice dream that's not very realistic.... but ya never know!!! What do you think? |
| Author: Smashie Bennett |
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Or we could make all new boats light and have massive lead in them, and then one year when everyone owns one we can all release the lead and we'd all be the same fair weight, but a lot lighter of course! Or make like a vintage set of prizes for the heavier Lark like the National 12's doo.
How would that work with the Portsmouth Yardstick? Would they have to re access the boats statistics? |
| Author: Smashie Bennett |
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On Reducing hull weight:
I think I'd agree that there is scope in the longer term to reduce the hull weight a little. The question of over what timescale is the difficult one.
First, I think our Chief Measurer would need to officially confirm the distribution of corrector weights throughout the competitive fleet. If it so happens that all the competitve hulls already have corrector weights then I'd say let's lose the lead a.s.a.p. (2494 has 4kg lead I think) Providing a rule on the distribution of hull weight is also worth considering.
If however, a significant minority doesn't have corrector weights then I'd suggest we should agree a reasonable time period overwhich these boats should be expected to be most competitive but that might be 5-10 years. And if this does make it onto this year's AGM agenda I'd add that any firm decision should not be reviewed for at least 5 years lest we get bored with it. |
| Author: Chris Fish |
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Let's not start on the old hull weight issue otherwise I'll cut and copy the one on the GP14 website!
Part of being a Lark IS the weight, otherwise if you put a big kite on and reduce weight it becomes a Scorpion.
As for not having performance down wind.......it's better than most!
I've said my bit, and hopefully my body is repaired and I'll be getting Bruce out in the later opens, unless lugging the barge up the beach @ Abersoch destroys me.
Dave
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| Author: David Young |
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| my boat has no lead and is slightly overweight and still competitive. I am with Dave - the hull weight (and dodgy centreplate) are all part of the charm of sailing a lark. If you want a lightweight boat with a proper plate there are plenty of boats to choose from, but we stick with the lark. Must be a reason (or two!) |
| Author: Ruth Johnson |
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Weight isn't on the agenda.
There are many currently competitive boats which have little or no correctors so an immediate drop is out of the question.
The Ovis are designed to have 5kgs of lead so that my successors will have the option of dropping the weight back to its designed value of 90kgs at some point in the future.
There are no plans to go beyond this and the best argument is that it would make the Lark just another class that only lightweights can sail. |
| Author: Chris Biglin |
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Ali
While everyone is together, as the guy who is responsible for arranging these things, I'd be interested in having feedback on whether people are still happpy with the format of the racing at the Nationals. Not that I think there is a problem, you understand.
By 'format' I simply mean the 'big picture' i.e.
- 9 races (6 shorter/3 longer)
- mix of gate/line starts
- mix of trapezoid/triangles
I don't especially want to get bogged down in the smaller details of mark angles etc. (hopefully prople will feel free to feed this back to me and the 'Racing Team' during the Nationals, if there are any tweaks needed). I'm more interested in more radical changes/improvements whcih may be needed.
The current format is one which was orginally brought in 10 years ago to meet a specific need to make the Lark more attractive to the mid-to-low end of the fleet than the old mile-beat 2-hour slogs we used to get.
Being keen to meet the needs of all competitors, I'd just like to check this is still providing a fair and challenging platform to find our best sailor (in each Fleet) each year, while still keeping it interesting for everyone to keep coming back for more!
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| Author: Nigel Hufton |
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| Nigel, I thought the Championship format was a standing item? I predict someone will suggest a 3-4 day format, another will suggest 3 races a day and I'll suggest lifting rudders are the way forward... |
| Author: Chris Fish |
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Chris
If someone wants to suggest 3 races a day, I see that would be within the scope of my proposed discussion on 'format'.
If they want to propose a 3 day champs, then that would be outside the scope of my proposed discussion, but they can table it as a separate discussion.
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| Author: Nigel Hufton |
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| I propose we make the crews race part of the main event and everyone has to stay with their normal sailing partner.... :-) |
| Author: Ruth Johnson |
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May I suggest that the subject of Nationals Race Format should only be raised at the AGM if there is anyone who is actually unhappy with it as it is and has a proposal to change it. To raise a 'non-issue' will simply result in an extended AGM which nobody wants...
(and MJ wouldn't be able to use his 'washing hair' excuse for a 4 hour AGM...) |
| Author: Emma Harris |
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Emma, I feel this misses the point. I don't know if it is an issue. As I say, it is only a comfort check, to see if everyone is happy with it (as I spend hours on getting the SIs agreed each year).
While I get random feedback from time to time (e.g. your question the other day about why can't the 'short' races always be trapezoid), I have no way to quickly survey the mood of the class.
As I say, I am not aware of issues - if it is a non-issue it won't take any time! I suggest you go to the bar at that point, if you are happy!
Ali - Within the discussion I would also like to see if there is any appetite for
a) On-the water umpiring?
b) Whether we want to change zone lenght to 2 or 4 lengths (which we are able to do)?
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| Author: Nigel Hufton |
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Dear Emma,
I will have probably finished washing my hair by then and am happy to keep you company in the bar.
Love,
M.J. |
| Author: Michael John |
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